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UK surname

Say

An occupational surname for a professional reciter or orator, derived from the Old English word secgan, meaning "to say."

In the 1881 census there were 709 people recorded with the Say surname, ranking it #5,124 among surnames in the records. By 2016, the modern count was 671, ranked #7,978, down from #5,124 in 1881.

The strongest historical links point to Churchill, Bristol City: St Mary Redcliff and Trowbridge. In the modern distribution records, the strongest local clusters include Wiltshire, Redcar and Cleveland and Neath Port Talbot.

Across the surname records, the highest recorded count for Say is 809 in 1901. Compared with 1881, the name has fallen by 5.4%.

1881 census count

709

Ranked #5,124

Modern count

671

2016, ranked #7,978

Peak year

1901

809 bearers

Map years

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1851 to 2016

Key insights

  • Say had 709 recorded bearers in 1881, making it the #5,124 surname in that year.
  • The latest modern count shown here is 671 in 2016, ranked #7,978.
  • Within the historical census years, the highest count was 809 in 1901.
  • The contemporary neighbourhood profile most associated with the surname is Rural Amenity.

Say surname distribution map

The map shows where the Say surname is concentrated in each census or modern distribution year. Darker areas mean a stronger local concentration.

Distribution map

Say surname density by area, 1881 census.

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Timeline

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Say over time

The table below tracks recorded surname counts and rank from the 19th-century census years through the modern adult-register period.

Year Period Count Rank
1851 historical 481 #5,186
1881 historical 709 #5,124
1891 historical 13 #33,099
1901 historical 809 #5,579
1997 modern 700 #7,246
1998 modern 740 #7,178
1999 modern 725 #7,327
2000 modern 718 #7,364
2001 modern 706 #7,324
2002 modern 698 #7,530
2003 modern 681 #7,558
2004 modern 671 #7,665
2005 modern 660 #7,688
2006 modern 655 #7,756
2007 modern 632 #8,044
2008 modern 615 #8,252
2009 modern 650 #8,073
2010 modern 687 #7,889
2011 modern 678 #7,885
2012 modern 676 #7,825
2013 modern 680 #7,917
2014 modern 683 #7,933
2015 modern 673 #7,965
2016 modern 671 #7,978

Geography

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Where Says are most common

Historical parish links are strongest around Churchill, Bristol City: St Mary Redcliff, Trowbridge, London parishes and Wells St Cuthbert In and Out. These are the places where the surname stands out most clearly in the older records.

The modern local-area list points to Wiltshire, Redcar and Cleveland, Neath Port Talbot and Wandsworth. Treat these as concentration signals, not proof that every family line began there.

Some modern areas include a three-digit suffix, such as Leeds 110. The suffix is a small-area code, so it stays in the table while the prose uses the plain place name.

Top historical parishes

Rank Parish Area
1 Churchill Somerset
2 Bristol City: St Mary Redcliff Gloucestershire
3 Trowbridge Wiltshire
4 London parishes London 3
5 Wells St Cuthbert In and Out Somerset

Top modern areas

Rank Area District
1 Wiltshire 018 Wiltshire
2 Redcar and Cleveland 013 Redcar and Cleveland
3 Neath Port Talbot 002 Neath Port Talbot
4 Wiltshire 060 Wiltshire
5 Wandsworth 027 Wandsworth

Forenames

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First names often paired with Say

These lists show first names that appear often with the Say surname in historical and recent records.

Modern profile

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Neighbourhood profile for Say

Modern surname records can be compared with neighbourhood classifications. For Say, this points to the kinds of places where the surname is most concentrated today.

These neighbourhood labels describe areas, not individual people. They are useful because surnames often cluster through family history, migration, housing patterns and local work. A surname can be strongest in one type of neighbourhood even when people with that name live across the country.

The UK classification gives the national picture. The London classification is more specific to the capital, where housing, age profile, tenure and population mix can look quite different from the rest of the UK.

UK neighbourhood type

UK Output Area Classification

Supergroup

Suburbanites and Peri-Urbanities

Group

Rural Amenity

Nationally, the Say surname is most associated with neighbourhoods classed as Rural Amenity, within Suburbanites and Peri-Urbanities. This does not mean every Say household fits that profile, but it gives a useful signal about where the modern surname distribution is strongest.

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Group profile

This Group comprises older parents or retirees, with no resident dependent children, and with the lowest residential densities in this Supergroup. Predominantly UK-born, residents typically live in detached houses, although others do live in semi-detached and terraced properties. The level of multiple car ownership is the highest in this Supergroup. Most houses are owner occupied although social renting is also present. Many concentrations occur in high amenity rural locations, such as Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty.

Wider pattern

Pervasive throughout the UK, members of this Supergroup typically own (or are buying) their detached, semi-detached or terraced homes. They are also typically educated to A Level/Highers or degree level and work in skilled or professional occupations. Typically born in the UK, some families have children, although the median adult age is above 45 and some property has become under-occupied after children have left home. This Supergroup is pervasive not only in suburban locations, but also in neighbourhoods at or beyond the edge of cities that adjoin rural parts of the country.

London neighbourhood type

London Output Area Classification

Supergroup

Older Residents in Owner-Occupied Suburbs

Group

London Fringe

Within London, Say is most associated with areas classed as London Fringe, part of Older Residents in Owner-Occupied Suburbs. This gives the surname a London-specific profile rather than forcing the capital into the same pattern as the rest of the country.

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Group profile

Predominantly located in neighbourhoods on the outskirts of Greater London, residents of these neighbourhoods typically have their highest qualifications below degree (Level 4) level, with those still in work engaged in skilled trades and occupations in distribution, hotels and restaurants. There is low ethnic diversity in these neighbourhoods and high levels of Christian religious affiliation. Detached or terraced houses predominate, often with spare rooms.

Wider London pattern

The age distribution of these neighbourhoods is skewed towards the middle-aged and old, although few residents live alone or in communal establishments and numbers of dependent children are around average. Owner occupation is the norm, as is residence in detached or semi-detached houses. Residential densities are low and many households have spare rooms. Most residents were born in the UK and, aside from some identifying as members of Chinese or Indian ethnicities, identify as White. Mixed ethnicity households are rare. Incidence of married couples is higher than average and few individuals have never been married. A large proportion of individuals still in employment work in administrative and secretarial occupations, or in the construction industry. Few residents are students, and many households own more than one car.

Healthy neighbourhoods

Access to healthy assets and hazards

Say is most concentrated in decile 9 for access to healthy assets and hazards. This places the surname towards the healthier end of the index.

Lower deciles point towards weaker access to healthy assets or stronger exposure to local hazards. Higher deciles point towards stronger access and fewer hazards.

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Lower access Higher access

Neighbourhood deprivation

Index of Multiple Deprivation

Say falls in decile 10 for neighbourhood deprivation. This puts the surname towards the less deprived end of the index.

Decile 1 represents the more deprived end of the scale. Decile 10 represents the less deprived end.

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More deprived Less deprived

Broadband speed

Fixed broadband download speed

The modern neighbourhood pattern for Say is most associated with a typical fixed broadband download band of 30-40 mbit/s.

The scale below places that band in context, from slower local download bands through to faster ones.

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Area snapshot

Ethnic group estimate

Most common ethnic group estimate
White - British

This describes the area pattern most associated with Say, not the ethnicity of every person with the surname.

Meaning and origin of Say

The surname Say is believed to have originated in England, deriving from the Old English word "saec," which means "quarrel" or "dispute." This suggests that the name may have been given to someone who was known for being argumentative or prone to conflicts.

The earliest recorded instances of the name can be traced back to the late 12th century in various counties across England, such as Norfolk, Suffolk, and Essex. In the Hundred Rolls of 1273, there is a mention of a Richard le Say in Oxfordshire.

During the 13th and 14th centuries, the name appeared in various forms, including Saye, Seye, and Seie, reflecting the variations in spelling and pronunciation common in that era. One notable figure from this period was Geoffrey de Say, who lived in the late 13th century and held lands in Gloucestershire and Wiltshire.

In the 15th century, the name was associated with the Say family of Berkshire, a prominent noble family that held significant influence and wealth. Sir John Say, born in 1420, was a member of this family and served as a courtier to King Henry VI.

The Domesday Book, a comprehensive survey of landowners and their holdings in England commissioned by William the Conqueror in 1086, does not contain any direct references to the surname Say. However, it does mention several places with similar-sounding names, such as Saham in Norfolk and Saighton in Cheshire, which may have influenced the development of the surname.

Moving forward to the 16th century, the name gained prominence with individuals like William Say, a renowned Elizabethan playwright and poet born in 1552 in Worcestershire. Another notable figure was Sir John Say, born in 1545, who served as a Member of Parliament for Oxfordshire and played a role in the Gunpowder Plot investigations.

In the 17th century, the surname was associated with prominent figures such as Samuel Say, an English clergyman and author born in 1625, and Benjamin Say, an English physician and naturalist born in 1670.

By the 18th century, the name had spread beyond England, with individuals like Jean-Baptiste Say, a French economist and businessman born in 1767, who made significant contributions to the field of economics and is considered one of the founders of the classical political economy.

Throughout history, the surname Say has been linked to various notable individuals across different fields, including politics, literature, science, and economics, reflecting the diverse backgrounds and achievements of those who have carried this name.

Sourced from namecensus.com.

1881 census detail

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Say families in the 1881 census

These tables use 1881 census entries for people recorded with the Say surname. Use the location tables for concentration, then the name and occupation tables for the people behind the surname.

Top counties

Total is the county count. Frequency and index adjust for local population size, so they are better concentration signals. Middlesex leads with 146 Says recorded in 1881 and an index of 2.06x.

County Total Index
Middlesex 146 2.06x
Somerset 141 12.35x
Wiltshire 81 12.92x
Surrey 70 2.03x
Essex 68 4.86x
Yorkshire 40 0.57x
Norfolk 31 2.84x
Gloucestershire 30 2.16x
Hertfordshire 20 4.09x
Aberdeenshire 17 2.59x
Kent 13 0.54x
Glamorgan 10 0.81x
Suffolk 10 1.16x
Brecknockshire 8 5.64x
Pembrokeshire 8 3.55x
Lancashire 7 0.08x
Staffordshire 5 0.21x
Northamptonshire 4 0.60x
Devon 3 0.20x
Leicestershire 3 0.38x
Sussex 2 0.17x
Angus 1 0.15x
Berkshire 1 0.19x
Cambridgeshire 1 0.22x
Cornwall 1 0.12x
Hampshire 1 0.07x
Warwickshire 1 0.06x

Top districts and towns

Districts give a more local view than counties. Total shows raw records, while frequency and index show local concentration. Camberwell in Surrey leads with 30 Says recorded in 1881 and an index of 6.62x.

Place Total Index
Camberwell 30 6.62x
Trowbridge 24 86.58x
Croscombe 22 1560.28x
Bethnal Green London 21 6.82x
Mile End Old Town 21 18.76x
Westbury 21 143.44x
Tottenham 19 16.82x
Newington 18 6.87x
Shoreditch London 16 5.20x
Little Dunham 15 2054.79x
Bishop Stortford 14 85.73x
Churchill 12 659.34x
Hackney London 12 3.02x
Walcot 12 19.74x
Congresbury 11 380.62x
Corsham 11 120.22x
Deptford St Paul 11 5.89x
Bristol St Philip Jacob 10 7.64x
Spitalfields London 10 18.75x
Wells St Cuthbert Out 10 108.81x
West Ham 9 2.91x
York St John Micklegate 9 529.41x
Banwell 8 191.85x
Clerkenwell London 8 4.78x
Great Wigborough 8 1230.77x
Haverfordwest St Mary 8 246.91x
Llanelly 8 47.14x
Writtle 8 139.86x
Yatton 8 180.18x
Bath St James 7 58.77x
Cluny 7 221.52x
Fyvie 7 65.30x
Saffron Walden 7 47.33x
Upton Scudamore 7 921.05x
Wells St Cuthbert 7 89.86x
Witham 7 97.09x
York St Lawrence 7 95.50x
Bermondsey 6 2.84x
Clifton 6 8.53x
Compton Bishop 6 447.76x
Shepton Mallet 6 46.84x
St Pancras London 6 1.05x
Bacton 5 320.51x
Barton St David 5 609.76x
Burton Upon Trent 5 8.93x
Buttsbury 5 454.55x
Ingatestone 5 222.22x
Laycock 5 176.06x
St George Martyr 5 41.84x
Battersea 4 1.53x
Bedminster 4 3.73x
Fisherton Anger 4 34.45x
Great Wakering 4 127.80x
Hinton St George 4 242.42x
Ipswich St Margaret 4 13.65x
Islington London 4 0.58x
Kirkdale 4 2.83x
Laleston 4 305.34x
Lambeth 4 0.65x
Leeds 4 1.01x
Little Houghton 4 869.57x
Peterborough 4 8.28x
Prestbury 4 116.28x
Southwark St George Martyr 4 2.80x
Tasburgh 4 370.37x
Walpole St Peter 4 144.93x
Westbury On Trym 4 8.49x
Weston Super Mare 4 13.88x
Willesden 4 5.98x
Basildon 3 789.47x
Bradford 3 1.76x
Braughing 3 120.00x
Edmonton 3 5.25x
Halsham 3 535.71x
Horsforth 3 19.47x
Puxton 3 909.09x
South Elmshall 3 234.38x
St Marylebone London 3 0.79x
West Hanningfield 3 288.46x
Wimbledon 3 7.73x

Top female names

These are the female first names most often recorded with the Say surname in 1881. Names are not merged, so initials, variant spellings and transcription quirks can appear as separate rows.

Top male names

These are the male first names most often recorded with the Say surname in 1881. Names are not merged, so initials, variant spellings and transcription quirks can appear as separate rows.

Name Count
William 38
Henry 23
John 22
Charles 21
George 21
James 19
Thomas 18
Alfred 16
Frederick 12
Walter 11
Robert 10
Arthur 7
Edward 6
Samuel 6
Albert 5
Edmund 5
Edwin 5
Herbert 4
Daniel 3
Ernest 3
Fredk. 3
Harry 3
Joseph 3
Warren 3
Edgar 2
Francis 2
Frank 2
Geoffrey 2
Joshua 2
Marcus 2
Richard 2
Saml. 2
Stanhope 2
Stephen 2
Wm. 2
Asaph 1
Augustus 1
Chas. 1
Christmas 1
Clement 1
Colin 1
Frankis 1
Fred 1
Fredric 1
Geo. 1
Geo.H 1
Jacob 1
Jonah 1
Laban 1
Wm.Geo. 1

FAQ

Say surname: questions and answers

How common was the Say surname in 1881?

In 1881, 709 people were recorded with the Say surname. That placed it at #5,124 in the surname rankings for that year.

How common is the Say surname today?

The latest modern count shown here is 671 in 2016. That gives Say a modern rank of #7,978.

What does the Say surname mean?

An occupational surname for a professional reciter or orator, derived from the Old English word secgan, meaning "to say."

What does the Say map show?

The map shows local surname concentration for the selected year. Darker areas have a stronger concentration of Say bearers relative to the surrounding population.

What records is this surname page based on?

The historical counts come from census surname records. The modern counts and neighbourhood summaries come from later surname distribution records. Counts are recorded bearers in those records, not a live estimate of everyone with the name today.